Title: Chemo Suspension Problems Subtitle: Cryonics Providers Remain Without an Alternative 1st version, 28.10.2008, by robomoon shintoist.com in Frankfurt a.M., Germany Usage: To activate automatic line breaks which make this report fit a specific screen size, open this text file with an ASCII editor. Any experienced household maid is able to learn that ethanol can preserve remains of mammals including inner organs like kidneys and the brain. But it's hard to convince anyone that the human brain can be preserved in ethanol. Not many people think logical enough that -because humans are mammals- preserving human brains in ethanol offers a good chance of success. Any elementary school graduate is able to learn that exclusion of air from milk and orange juice can preserve those organic items. But it's hard to convince anyone that brain cells can be preserved in a bucket of airtight epoxy. Not many people think logical enough that -because brain cells are organic- keeping air away from brain cells by a layer of epoxy resin offers a good chance of success. As we know from the above examples about learning, not anyone is able to think logical enough for the building of this knowledge base. CI - http://cryonics.org/ -, Alcor - http://cryonics.net/ -, and KrioRus - http://kriorus.ru - are the only organizations who perform Cryonics including longterm suspension. Neither those established organizations nor other possible providers of longterm storage have enough volunteering members to access, collect, and evaluate the elementary resources necessary for the building of a knowledge base in the field of chemo suspension. Resources The 2nd version of this article should be converted from ".TXT" to ".HTML" file format. There are only URL's, so in the 3rd version, a description of the links below should be added. http://www.archaeology.org/0801/topten/lyuba.html http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070607171134.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080904145058.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080611161038.htm http://www.cryocdn.org/perma.html http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=7733 http://www.quantium.plus.com/lr/lr48.htm#Suggestions For Russian Permafrost http://www.transtopia.org/plastination.html http://www.benbest.com/misc/stbees.html http://www.stbees.org.uk/history/stbeesman2.htm http://www.depressedmetabolism.com/2008/02/25/better-biostasis-through-chemosuspension/ http://www.fightaging.org/archives/001427.php http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/12/991215072051.htm http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6939820.html http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5827511/description.html http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=3002649 Messages Below are copies of robomoon's messages including extractions of replies that can be used as actual examples of real problems with chemo suspension. --message #1-- 12.9.08 "Permafrost burial and chemo suspension" to: Cryonics Society of Canada http://cryocdn.org by email Actually, I'm trying to get into contract arrangements for a permafrost burial and chemo suspension of my head (in case of death). Since I'm always in a very bad income situation, I'm absolutely sure that (financially) there will be no regular cryonics services for me. But I don't know if I should contact Danila Medvedev or Mr. Alexey Potapov at Kriorus to find out if they can act as a chemo-provider for a permafrost burial of someone's head. That means to arrange the chemical fixation of a head by storage inside a tissue container together with ethanol and salt. The body can be fully destroyed while they could store the head in a container made of metal for a half year and change the ethanol at least once. Then they should seal the container and ship it to a northern part of Russia (Siberia perhaps) for a permafrost burial inside a grave in cold ground. For later reanimation: It would be a wise strategy to put a tissue sample from my body (a hair including its root) inside dry glue or something, to store it in the provider's facility. If the grave can be discovered in a couple of decades or centuries, I suggest that the identity of the head can be verified with the tissue sample's DNA. So I want you to find out if they could gain an interest in this special arrangement, because you are the experts who could easily make a contact with them at kriorus@mail.ru to explain my proposal. In any case, I'm interested in getting the following life-insurance from a Russian company when it is recommendable by Kriorus: Just for a single payment of Euro 3000 as a one-time fee. It must be arranged absolutely private and confidential and it must cover anything with a one-time fee. There can be no repeated payments (for e.g., monthly membership fees). That's because if my close relatives find out that I make those monthly payments, they would seriously force me to stop and to hand out that money to them. Actually, my wife and children demand most of my small monthly income and if they find out, they would forcefully demand that they are the beneficiaries of a life-insurance. --end of message #1-- --response to #1-- 15.09.2008, extraction and modified summary: There is no "permafrost burial program" in place. You would have to make arrangements yourself for chemical preservation, shipment to Canada and arrangements with a funeral director in northern Canada to bury you. Over a decade ago a person from Europe made such arrangements for his deceased relative, but it would be much more difficult (and costly!) to make them for yourself. --end of response to #1-- --message #2-- 15.9.08 posted to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Venturists/message/1025 Extractions: A permafrost burial is useful if a cryoprotective perfusion has happened. If not, natural petrification should be the alternative. A water-proof and hermetical seal around the head can do as a preparation for biostasis. So the head must be sealed after a quickly arranged antiseptic treatment. In this case, the burial place should be quite deep in the ground to provide a temperature which must be always three degrees Celsius or higher above the freezing point. Without cryoprotective perfusion, Siberia would be too cold for a burial place where natural petrification can be arranged. In many cases, hermetical longterm storage of plants and insects has taken place in amber and copal. So far, a specimen from the spider family Filistatidae in fossil amber has been digitally dissected by Paleontologist David Penney from the University of Manchester in England. Using VHR-CT technique, he made detailed images of the spider's well-preserved internal organs. For later reanimation it would be a wise strategy to put a tissue sample from my body (a hair including its root) inside unsaturated polyester or something, to store it at the provider's facility. If the burial place will be discovered in a couple of decades or centuries, I suggest that the identity of content can be verified with the tissue sample's DNA. http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118647785/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0 http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/multimedia/2007/10/gallery_digimorph http://pda.physorg.com/lofi-news-penney-spider-university_112885174.html --end of message #2-- --response to #2-- 15.9.08, extraction: How about KrioRus? www.kriorus.ru/english.html --end of response to #2-- --message #3-- 15.9.08 ""Re: Associate membership / chemo suspension --Kriorus--" to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Venturists/messages Thank you for your reply. Kriorus would really be whom I'd like to get in touch with. Extractions from my email to the Cryonics Society of Canada: "Actually, I'm trying to get into contract arrangements for a permafrost burial and chemo suspension of my head (in case of death)... But I don't know if I should contact Danila Medvedev or Mr. Alexey Potapov at Kriorus to find out if they can act as a chemo-provider for a permafrost burial of someone's head." The page www.cryocdn.org/perma.html gave me the impression that the Cryonics Society of Canada could help me to get in contact with Kriorus a better way than I could do on my own. It's because I don't know how to talk to Kriorus about a burial in a sealed container, while www.kriorus.ru/english.html describes a dewar. It looks possible to me that they may think I don't trust their cryonic suspension. Of cause, I'd ask Kriorus for their standard services if I could finance the cost with an insurance or something - but that's not the case. How can I send a suitable inquiry to them -a cryonics provider-, telling that my situation requires a special offer for chemo suspension only, payable as a one-time fee? --end of message #3-- --response to #3-- Neither a response to the above nor a response to a later message asking for plastination of neuro-tissue as a preparation for economically priced shipping. --end of response to #3