Cheap Suspension

Subtitle: Circumventing the Information-Theoretic Death

6 January 2009 by robomoon or Robo Moon (nicknames) in Germany

Version 5, updated on Sep 22, 2009

Collection of a main report and two special reports. The main report: Without Cryonics. The 1st special report: Chemo Suspension Problems. The 2nd special report: Cheap DNA.

Without Cryonics

Subtitle: Suspension for Everybody

Memorabilia

It's impossible for the majority of people in this world to obtain a Life Insurance which covers Cryonics including overseas fees and additional costs. Better raise Cryonics amongst a broad range of other products for longterm suspension. Therefore, suspension of brain sections in formaldehyde and longterm storage of DNA including digital memorabilia should be provided in many countries out of ethical responsibility. Hope for a digital transformation of the mind due to a steady approach towards the mapping of chemically preserved brain sections after longterm suspension doesn't require freezing for scientific justification.

The Wayback Machine at http://archive.org can be classified as the only popular search engine that keeps public web content stored in an archive. System requirements to access their archived HTML documents are low enough for a broad spectrum of browser versions. The Wayback Machine works well with older web browsers. It has no mentionable competitor, but WebCite http://www.webcitation.org/ is a web archive which caches pages as well. Other archives don't collect content with a search engine and access requires a modern web browser with Flash-plugin. There are three free archives where memorabilia can be uploaded by HTTP browser interface. Their programs have the capacity to turn personal documents into digital clones of artificial life. Actually, http://cyberev.org tolerates older versions of software. Access to files at http://lifenaut.com may not be interactive without a suitable Flash-plugin. The hardest to access by web surfers who are using old versions of software is http://immortalspace.com which has the highest system requirements of all of these archives.

Response to an Edge Question

http://cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=31318 emailed by robomoon@... on 04 Jan 2009 with subject: Re: #31316: Bart Kosko's 2009 Edge question essay

Quote: ... just over three decades later Kubrick opted for the old neural apocalypse when he could easily have afforded a first-class cryonic suspension in quite adequate facilities. End of quote.

What evidence can BART KOSKO offer? From my point of view, no sensational first-class cryonic suspension in an adequate facility has happened until now. Professional standby and vitrification make the difference in temporary suspension, but an adequate facility should represent the real first-class deal for longterm suspension as well. There will be a little explanation from a "marketing" point of view: CI and Alcor are a standard without a very attractive high-class, because there's no low-class for poor people either. Where's the low-class facility where poor people who have signed up for chemo suspension will receive storage of formaldehyde preserved brain sections? Nowhere! Therefore, there's no significant extreme of a low-class available which places vitrification at Alcor into the high-class section. Better raise Cryonics amongst a broad range of other products for longterm suspension before telling anyone about a high quality!

Actually, there are only CI and Alcor. Don't even think about putting Kriorus into the low quality category in connection with longterm storage. They use nearly the same dewars like their "competitors" and nothing of much lower quality. Want to make Cryonics cheaper? Alright, lower its quality and higher its luxury!

The Edge Question

http://cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=31316 emailed by Mark Plus markplus@... on 1 Jan 2009 with subject: Bart Kosko's 2009 Edge question essay

Extraction and background info: What will change everything? CHEAP CRYONIC SUSPENSION OF BRAINS http://www.edge.org/q2009/q09_13.html#kosko by Bart Kosko for the World Question Center 2009 at Edge Foundation, Inc http://www.edge.org/about_edge.html which was established in 1988 as an outgrowth of The Reality Club.

Towards Russia

A salt mine suits well for storage of memorabilia and dried genetic samples. But here's another approach towards a Russian location.

How to ask?

Where is it supported to evaluate if KrioRus http://old.kriorus.ru/english.html can be open for negotiations regarding a place for storage of an actually existing DNA Archive at room temperature? Well, I know their requirements for storage in a dewar, but I want to outline a rather exotic request to store biological information above freezing. Actually, KrioRus seems to be alright among the currently existing storage providers. But I don't know how to ask them about a Russian life insurance for storage of DNA a the later funding of chemo-fixation of a brain without freezing.

A new essay below.

Augmentation of Fixation for Machine Transformation

Cryonics supports the storage of valuable information inside human brain tissue after death. The life of a human being has more value than the activities of a machine. But without recordings of personal information, death as a human has less value than the action of electric hardware. And irreversible death is what time forces on the majority of human individuals. However, even a halfway destroyed brain contains recorded information for a machine as a matter of transformation from human brain to data base of digital reflections. http://shintoist.com/ cached at http://www.webcitation.org/5d0l2JYbd links to some bemes.

Robots are supposed to enable automatized brain surgery for the reanimation of neurons after longterm suspension. People who have an interest to turn into robots after death should be very well supported by organizations for Life Extension. Proposed that machine transformation happens, cryonauts who are under surgery for reanimation will very much profit from a group of chemonauts who have turned into avatars for robots. Only with enough AI and robots, neuro-surgeons will re-enact the flow of neurotransmitter molecules in a brain for conscious remembrance.

When brains are destroyed, there are still bindings in contracts which have been made before death. Contracts can be arranged for the usage of personal data in digital components of hardware and software. Brains of adults halfway between irreversible destruction may loose parts and connections of neurons in which something important like childhood memories are stored. Without enough neurons for detailed memorization, bioreanimation of patients who want to remember their childhood in detail must not be much prioritized. In anatomy, the brain is already a machine. Therefore, a contract for chemical fixation requires terms for machine transformation from human to robot.

Those who can neither fulfill the financial requirements nor the intellectual standards of Cryonics should try to get into a cheap contract arrangement for aldehyde fixation of brain tissue even when probability analysis render a chance of less than one percent for reanimation as a human. If liquid storage is unavailable, plastification for the only purpose of machine transformation should be arranged. Regarding the actual availability of services, freezing as well as vitrification render a much higher chance of bioreanimation. But for those of the impoverished who want to continue their projects as a robot, chemo-fixation and storage in temperatures above freezing will remain an alternative to cryo-suspension.

More at The Cold Filter.

Conditions where a blood washout cannot be established. February 9, 2009, http://www.network54.com/Forum/291677/message/1234184310/

Response to fixation

Very encouraging at http://www.network54.com/Forum/291677/message/1233860845/ to mention good reasons for chemo fixation.

:quote:
1. Much less technique sensitive.
2. Less time pressure.
3. Less equipment needed in the field.
4. Would equally help accident and stroke victims.
5. Would help in cases where delays happened.
6. Would help in underfunded situations. Gives people time to gather funds. Even years.
:quote-end:

There are some more reasons:

7. Suspension in places where strong supervision is needed
8. Exchange of know-how between cryo-providers and chemo-providers

Strong supervision requires authorities to check from time to time if a patient's brain is alright under suspension. So they can look inside a container where brains are under suspension to check whether the tissue has gotten much putrid or not.

Chemo-providers can establish know-how to assess a cryoprotective perfusion under urgent conditions where a blood washout cannot be established at all. Possible chemo-providers include funeral directors who provide embalming. Embalming as usual includes the whole body. This must change, so that a trained embalmer preserves the head separately. The embalmer should establish ligation of blood vessels in cervical areas with a neckband. An electric pump will establish a closed circulation inside the skull. Decay of neurons can be tackled by slow injection of a universal solution which contains embalming fluid and a vasodilator against muscular spasms. If desired, a cryoprotectant can be added. Usage of an electric pump keeps the blood in motion.

By the way, I'm still looking for volunteers who can help me to get in touch with KrioRus for negotiations regarding the storage of my portable DNA Archive which is actually located in Germany. Eventually, there can be provisions for a Russian life insurance with low funding under the term that it will be for a cheap chemo suspension (if it's becoming available). You can contact me by email to robomoon at nexgo dot de with subject "kriorus".

Of cause, some parts of neurons are getting destroyed by this approach. But there will be remains of dendritic trees, axon terminals, and the like, which morphology can be analyzed. Even when reversal of these damages for reanimation as a living human cannot be accomplished, I still have the intention that special characteristics of my DNA and neuronal morphology will be integrated into an autonomous robot. There are also digital data (bemes) which will enhance my identity when development of AI is progressing.

Time Travel Center

Providers of medical services for life extension should operate at facilities where storage of genetic information and neuronal tissue of their patients is taking place for an unlimited time span. A very low temperature makes it happen, but there is no need to argue that cryonic suspension must remain the only way of time travel. Without the reduction of costs, suspension in large facilities will not persist for Centuries.

Genetic information from DNA in cell samples lend themselves to genetic analysis as well as research on radical life extension. A cure for aging will likely come about from medical science which includes genetic manipulation. With the human genetic code now mapped, the race is on to find anti-aging genes. Cited from: This Wonderful Lengthening of Lifespan; Life Extension Technology http://www.longevitymeme.org/articles/viewarticle.cfm?article_id=11 by Bruce J. Klein; The Longevity Meme, 2003, first appeared at the Immortality Institute.

Suspension aims at the durable fixation of neurons and their connections for biostasis. High-quality fixation encourages hope that all functional divisions of memory will be wonderfully intact after reanimation. Low-quality fixation from chemo suspension is dealing with losses where one or more divisions of memory can be severely reduced. Despite some moving molecules of neuronal tissue, low-quality suspension must be around to reduce costs. Radical life extension must not be limited to private sports of a wealthy and privileged few. Whether episodic or semantic, chemonauts must put up with whatever remains in the declarative memory. If procedural memory will be better reconstructed than childhood memories, the loss must be accepted. Optimization of neuronal structure for better learning makes great losses affordable. Reference: Committed to Memory; Rebecca Rupp, Crown Publishers, Inc., 1998, ISBN 0517703211.

Sparse Funds: Time travel within biostasis offers the prospect of an incredibly long lifespan. Suspension of an isolated brain must be cheaper than preservation of a torso including its extremities.

Cheap cryonic suspension includes the reduction of costs prior to suspension and during suspension. Nevertheless, reduction of costs for medical technologies -which are required for the reanimation of cryonauts- will be a bad mistake. Financial planning -which deals with the costs of nano-surgery for reversed deanimation- calculates with very costly expenses for hi-tech.

Current facilities for time travel are in use by CI - http://cryonics.org/ -, Alcor - http://cryonics.net/ -, and KrioRus - http://kriorus.ru - all organizations who perform cryonics including longterm suspension.

A project for a bigger facility than the above is Timeship http://www.timeship.org/ which hypothetical costs of 250 million US Dollars (estimated in year 2004) are likely to stretch the limits of cheap cryonics way too much. Cited from: House of the temporarily dead http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2004/jan/23/research.highereducation by Steve Rose. The Guardian, Friday 23 January 2004.

Chemo suspension and storage of DNA reduce the costs and higher the quality of cryonics. Announcements at various message boards, especially The Cold Filter http://www.network54.com/Forum/291677/ and the subforum Cryonics at ImmInst Forums http://www.imminst.org/forum/ as well as messages from the mailing list CryoNet http://cryonet.org/ show no sufficient demand for chemo preservation amongst the public. So there is no need to buy a facility exclusively for chemo suspension above freezing. It suits well for sparsely funded arrangements when cryonics providers allocate a few areas in their facilities to freeze cell samples in tiny capsules and perform chemo suspension of neuronal tissue.

PR

Preservation of endangered species due to longterm storage of DNA at the facility of a cryonics-provider will be great PR. Ten DNA samples should fit into a little capsule the size of a thumb. Drop it into the dewar from KrioRus, and they will get best PR for a minimum of costs. They don't have many patients under suspension, so I guess they have free resources available.

One can even put a piece of a cheek swab sample with DNA of mine into that little capsule to store it together with other samples from the loggerhead turtle, komodo dragon, greater horseshoe bat, and other endangered animals, see http://www.ypte.org.uk/environmental/endangered-animals-of-the-world/24 for info. That would be good for the animals and also for me, because I'm always trying to keep a DNA sample of mine from getting degraded. Cryonics for such a small container would barely cost more than a thousand US Dollars for 100 years of storage. Well, I would be able to pay 500 Dollars for this. If the other 500 Dollars can be donated by an organization who is funding gene banks for wild life preservation, then the costs are balanced.

About Dating

Posted by robomoon to the subforum Cryonics at ImmInst Forums, in reply to http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=25303 "Dating or Marriage and Cryonics".

November 2008

1st date: Travel to her took eight hours. Meeting for one hour. Guess why she didn't asked me to go immediately when she found out within ten minutes that I even didn't made it to high school? Tired from walking and the bus arrived in two hours. 2nd date: Introduced me to her kids, three healthy, one handicapped. System mismatch: She was taller and I feared she liked to spit on my head. 3rd date: Match, still married after 11 years. Why? Didn't want to get back to her rice field in Southeast Asia. Paid everything to raise new Life-Extensionists. Here http://70.90.133.65/cryonicsforum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4 it goes on with my remark that she even doesn't want to sign a "Declaration of Intent to be Cryopreserved" as witness.

Discrete hint: Hey girls, want to meet a nice boy? Asian, should get a better introduction to Cryonics than I gave him. He's my stepson. Looked at his browser, he's actually at friendster.com where he probably has a profile, location Frankfurt am Main, Germany.

Addendum, January 2009

QUOTING Shannon @ 23-Nov 2008: ... are your children interested now in cryonics? I could not tell from your posting ... END Of QUOTE.

The posting is about three dates with three different women. It doesn't tell about my children but my stepson. Yes, the woman in the description of my 2nd date had some, but I married another woman who met me at the 3rd date. The posting should explain that it was very hard to find somebody who was inclined to take me, no matter about my attitude.

She came to Germany from a "developing country" in which my low income happened to be a strong currency. An income which marks the official definition of the poverty line in Germany is enough for a good living in her native region in Southeast Asia. Now with this information it's not hard to figure the main reasons of our marriage. There's a bit of hostility among us deriving from an argument over $28,000 dollars for Life-Extension or for food, travel, accommodation, education, and security for our family.

Well, I've asked the younger one of my kids if he likes Cryonics. Actually, I translate his replies. He stands next to me and says: "I hate Cryonics!" Then he's laughing, "it doesn't work!" So I'm asking: "Why?" He answers: "Because in hundred years or so, the machines will be damaged. Everyone will be death because of an explosion!" Just like me, he talks about existential risks. "How can this happen," I ask. He answers: "Because in thousand years, men may be destroyed entirely!"

All the older kid is thinking about is to save some money to travel to his home abroad where he grew up and had his residence until 2007. He and my wife share the opinion that Cryonics is way too expensive for our family and looks like a Penn and Teller http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=26652 joke. So it wouldn't be wrong to leave them money for education and research, would it?

Just a poor freak without Cryonics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3j-7-bHWPU

Organization

It's wonderful to join a registered non-profit organization which encourages material eradication of aging, disease, and death. On December, 2008, I've acquired an associate membership at the Society for Universal Immortalism (SfUI) http://www.universalimmortalism.org to circumvent the information-theoretic death.

A Virtual Self Can Write and Chat With You

http://cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=31716 emailed by robomoon@... on 3 Jun 2009 with subject: A Virtual Self Can Write and Chat with You. Cross-posted to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/universalimmortalism/message/1794

Since May 2009, the CyBeRev Monthly Contest is taking place. CyBeRev Contest Leaderboard http://cyberev.org/cmr/member_account/leaderboard.aspx shows that I became the first monthly contest winner which makes me very happy, of cause.

In difference to interactions with virtual boy Milo from a computer game design referred to by Cryonet Message #31713 2 with subject "Virtual Boy Will Talk and Play with You", the conversation with my alter ego Robomoon works with a simple chatbot which offers personal values instead of animated graphics and spoken language. Robomoon is not entirely a virtual human, because it's the alter ego of me, myself and I.

Since 2001, CMprocess http://www.cmprocess.com/works/other_works/ has listed a small but interesting approach in arts to preserve an alter ego in the virtual world. VIRTUAL CRYONICS - ver.02 http://www.futurephysical.orgpages/interactive/nest.html by nest http://www.nestv.com Artist Network and Performance company in Japan states that people have to preserve their IDENTITY data like a frozen body to realize the extension of their artificial life.

VIRTUAL CRYONICS - ver.02 suggests a graphical animation where virtual bodies are floating. Luckily, such a visual performance isn't necessary for mindfiles which I have stored at CyBeRev. Further mindfiles with my data are also online at http://lifenaut.com and two different web archives. There are also my archived DNA together with a small collection of documents (printed on paper for longtime storage) archived by SfUI, the Society for Universal Immortalism http://www.universalimmortalism.org where I have associate membership status.

Actually, I made an announcement at SfUI's discussion mailing list to enhance backup capacity for digital files of their members. All but me are full members and signed up at cryonics providers. Unfortunately, chemo suspension and related alternatives aren't available for me until now and my income situation is too bad for a suitable Life Insurance. So I'm planning to go to Moscow in Russia when I'm old, but who knows if there will be a bit of a chance in Russia to sign up with not much for funding in the pockets.

In hindsight to time travel, a backwards simulation to the present of activities on our planet will not be required for the resurrection of Robomoon. Me as ashes in an incinerator will not be me. The most identical copy of me as a rotting corpse will not be me. But Robomoon will be entirely me. Therefore, it should be required to arrange a simulation of a small spot on the Moon where my action is starting with the work of a robot. After the death of my biological brain, my identity must change from a biological creature into an immortal avatar, embodied by a robot on the Moon.

No Suspension by Plastination in Germany

http://cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=31872 emailed by robomoon@... on 14 Aug 2009 with subject: No Suspension by Plastination in Germany. Cross-posted to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/universalimmortalism/message/1841

Press article http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,614006,00.html shows rumors that Michael Jackson is getting plastination. However, this does not look like a cheap alternative to initial suspension for the client of a cryonics organization. The harvesting of tissue for plastinates works with the rights for autopsy. Autopsy prior to a burial happens in hospitals as well as in anatomy institutes. Anatomy institutes provide places where University students take their dissection lessons. There are also a few anatomy institutes producing plastinates instead of using the corpses for autopsy during educational anatomy lessons and research.

Transfer of a corpse to an anatomy institute is allowed when the deceased person made a last will about it. That testamentary disposition for a BODY DONATION is different than an agreement for an ORGAN DONATION. Surgery lessons and scientific research on the corpse in an anatomy institute waive the duty for timely destruction of all human remains. But when lessons and research have been accomplished, all the remaining tissues must be buried without notice. Manufacturers of plastinates don't have the right to waive the duty for a timely destruction of human remains.

Plastinates aren't required for a burial, because the lawyers of plastinate manufacturers can claim that these aren't human remains but anatomical samples from ANONYMIZED DONORS which have been produced due to the destruction of aforementioned remains. Maximum production time which causes the destruction of human remains is only one day after receipt of a corpse. Then the manufacturer arranges the burial of any tissue which didn't made into production.

Anonymization prior to a BODY DONATION to an anatomy institute is required. There is no control over the donation of a body for plastination. So it is fairly impossible for people to make cheap arrangements where the legal advantages of anonymization by COMPLETE DESTRUCTION of human remains can be replaced by different means to make sure that the former living owner of the brain can be identified.

Press article http://www.kirchen.ch/pressespiegel/nzz/0199.htm in German language shows that costs for the creation of a plastinate can be easily forty-thousand US Dollars. Press article http://www.zitty.de/magazin/41967/ in German language shows that public relations by manufacturers require that plastinates should be purchased only by institutes who are publicly recognized for research and education. So it is likely that institutes who perform something like cryonics are not allowed to purchase a plastinate of their client's brain for later retrieval of personal characteristics ingrown in the brain's structure.

Cryonics Over Food / How Different Might we Be?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/universalimmortalism/message/1853 emailed by robomoon@... on Aug 20 2009 with subject: "Cryonics over food / how different might we be?" Cross-posted to http://www.imminst.org/forum/Cryonics-f61.html in response to an evolutionary and existential question.

"Most people cannot even logically and reasonably think about the subject of life extension." All right, but there are also those who cannot think much enough to choose a special advantage from Life Insurance over the happiness from eating food.

People tend to recommend cheap cryonics by the notion: eat one less slice of pizza per day to keep enough money for insurance which covers cryonics! But consumers who are rather low- than middle class have no luxurious holiday houses, sports cars, noble limousines, and travel with 1st class ticket and stay in a five-star hotel. So we often fail to bother rich people with the notion: Buy one less luxurious sports car / limousine / holiday house once per lifetime or book one less luxurious travel per year to keep enough money for the insurance!

The reason: our daily appetite makes us think much about pizza. Obesity is among the notable causes that shorten the lifespan. Nevertheless, it is hard to stop eating fast food for the sake of cryonics. Is it Beta-endorphin when we are getting full with food? Beta-endorphin is a neurotransmitter which promotes the feeling of well-being.

According to James Watson, co-discoverer of the double helix, a good Beta-endorphin efficiency ratio to MC4R and Leptin is good for our eating habits. This looks like one of the reasons why the lifespan of slim people has increased during the evolution. MC4R, the melanocortin-4 receptor gene, represent the commonest monogenic cause of human obesity. Leptin is a protein hormone that plays a key role in regulating energy intake and energy expenditure, including the regulation of appetite and metabolism. References: Mutations in the human melanocortin-4 receptor gene associated with severe familial obesity... http://hmg.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/12/5/561 and Father of Genes (Vater der Gene) http://www.netdoktor.de/Magazin/Vater-der-Gene-2304.html (in German).

Cryonauts can backup collectible memorabilia with SfUI http://universalimmortalism.org to get them back after revival. SfUI also stores my hermetically archived genes together with my written request for DNA sequencing and suggestions for further use. One kind of usage among many interesting possibilities in science should be research on aging genes from the DNA of middle-aged humans. So I hope, research enables comparison of my genes with the genes of other people to get useful data, a good Beta-endorphin efficiency ratio, for instance.

Progress Outside the US in Russia

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/universalimmortalism/message/1871 emailed by robomoon@... on Aug 28 2009 with subject: Progress outside the US in Russia

Cryonics providers made an acceptable progress, but mostly in the US. Just outside, important progress is made by KrioRus in Russia. Standby and cooling of the brain in emergency conditions -necessary to initiate suspension- could be cheap enough in the US and Russia (if not too far from Moscow). But in many countries, the extra costs for the funding of services in emergency conditions rise beyond the limit. Therefore, I am seeking for new private ways of funding before I can afford to sign up for cryo.

Some weeks ago I got a draft (English translation) of a contract for cryo from KrioRus. Below paragraphs are extractions from an email which I sent today to Danila Medvedev at KrioRus and a copy to Greg Jordan, President of SfUI.

Thank you for the draft of contract, English translation. The contract by KrioRus only demands US$10,000. It could allow installments for the payment. But if I in Germany would sign up with KrioRus, the complete funding incl. extra costs requires approximately US$30,000. Regarding conditions in Germany, the extra costs of standby, cooling, and transportation can easily require a funding of US$20,000 which is twice the costs demanded for perfusion and suspension by KrioRus itself. So that is 10000 for cryo plus 20000 for extra costs = 30000 in total.

Well, I had the idea to come to Russia a short time before my death arrives. Unfortunately, the contract from KrioRus does not favor such a planning as I have demanded. Outside the US, cheap standby and cooling has been offered by volunteers in Canada, Russia, and the UK. In Germany it may be more difficult. But costs of logistics and transportation are a problem which cannot be sufficiently overcome by volunteers in countries where professional morticians are required by law.

It makes me feel sorry that I cannot make the funding required by KrioRus plus the extra costs of approx. $20,000 this time.

Chemo Suspension Problems

Subtitle: Cryonics Providers Remain Without an Alternative

Version 2.3 on 5.11.2008, by robomoon shintoist.com in Frankfurt a.M., Germany

Any experienced household maid is able to learn that ethanol can preserve remains of mammals including inner organs like kidneys and the brain. But it's hard to convince anyone that the human brain can be preserved in ethanol. Not many people think logical enough that -because humans are mammals- preserving human brains in ethanol offers a good chance of success.

Any elementary school graduate is able to learn that exclusion of air from milk and orange juice can preserve those organic items. But it's hard to convince anyone that brain cells can be preserved in a bucket of airtight epoxy. Not many people think logical enough that -because brain cells are organic- keeping air away from brain cells by a layer of epoxy resin offers a good chance of success.

As we know from the above examples about learning, not anyone is able to think logical enough for the building of this knowledge base. CI - http://cryonics.org/ -, Alcor - http://cryonics.net/ -, and KrioRus - http://kriorus.ru - are the only organizations who perform Cryonics including longterm suspension. Neither those established organizations nor other possible providers of longterm storage have enough volunteering members to access, collect, and evaluate the elementary resources necessary for the building of a knowledge base in the field of chemo suspension.

Resources

The 1st version of this article is in plain text. The 2nd version should be converted from ".TXT" to ".HTML" file format. There are only URL's, so in the 3rd version, a description of the links below should be added. Some of them refer to archeological finds without details about brain tissue.

http://www.archaeology.org/0801/topten/lyuba.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070607171134.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080904145058.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080611161038.htm
http://www.cryocdn.org/perma.html
http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=7733
http://www.quantium.plus.com/lr/lr48.htm#Suggestions For Russian Permafrost
http://www.transtopia.org/plastination.html
http://www.benbest.com/misc/stbees.html
http://www.stbees.org.uk/history/stbeesman2.htm
http://www.depressedmetabolism.com/2008/02/25/better-biostasis-through-chemosuspension/
http://www.fightaging.org/archives/001427.php
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/12/991215072051.htm
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6939820.html
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5827511/description.html
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=3002649

Messages

Below are copies of robomoon's messages including extractions of replies that can be used as actual examples of real problems with chemo suspension.

--message #1--

12.9.08 "Permafrost burial and chemo suspension" to: Cryonics Society of Canada http://cryocdn.org by email

Actually, I'm trying to get into contract arrangements for a permafrost burial and chemo suspension of my head (in case of death). Since I'm always in a very bad income situation, I'm absolutely sure that (financially) there will be no regular cryonics services for me. But I don't know if I should contact Danila Medvedev or Mr. Alexey Potapov at Kriorus to find out if they can act as a chemo-provider for a permafrost burial of someone's head. That means to arrange the chemical fixation of a head by storage inside a tissue container together with ethanol and salt. The body can be fully destroyed while they could store the head in a container made of metal for a half year and change the ethanol at least once. Then they should seal the container and ship it to a northern part of Russia (Siberia perhaps) for a permafrost burial inside a grave in cold ground.

For later reanimation: It would be a wise strategy to put a tissue sample from my body (a hair including its root) inside dry glue or something, to store it in the provider's facility. If the grave can be discovered in a couple of decades or centuries, I suggest that the identity of the head can be verified with the tissue sample's DNA.

So I want you to find out if they could gain an interest in this special arrangement, because you are the experts who could easily make a contact with them at kriorus@mail.ru to explain my proposal. In any case, I'm interested in getting the following life-insurance from a Russian company when it is recommendable by Kriorus: Just for a single payment of Euro 3000 as a one-time fee. It must be arranged absolutely private and confidential and it must cover anything with a one-time fee. There can be no repeated payments (for e.g., monthly membership fees). That's because if my close relatives find out that I make those monthly payments, they would seriously force me to stop and to hand out that money to them. Actually, my wife and children demand most of my small monthly income and if they find out, they would forcefully demand that they are the beneficiaries of a life-insurance.

--end of message #1--

--response to #1--

15.09.08, extraction and modified summary: There is no "permafrost burial program" in place. You would have to make arrangements yourself for chemical preservation, shipment to Canada and arrangements with a funeral director in northern Canada to bury you. Over a decade ago a person from Europe made such arrangements for his deceased relative, but it would be much more difficult (and costly!) to make them for yourself.

--end of response to #1--

--message #2--

15.9.08 posted to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Venturists/message/1025

Extractions: A permafrost burial is useful if a cryoprotective perfusion has happened. If not, natural petrification should be the alternative. A water-proof and hermetical seal around the head can do as a preparation for biostasis. So the head must be sealed after a quickly arranged antiseptic treatment. In this case, the burial place should be quite deep in the ground to provide a temperature which must be always three degrees Celsius or higher above the freezing point. Without cryoprotective perfusion, Siberia would be too cold for a burial place where natural petrification can be arranged. In many cases, hermetical longterm storage of plants and insects has taken place in amber and copal. So far, a specimen from the spider family Filistatidae in fossil amber has been digitally dissected by Paleontologist David Penney from the University of Manchester in England. Using VHR-CT technique, he made detailed images of the spider's well-preserved internal organs.

For later reanimation it would be a wise strategy to put a tissue sample from my body (a hair including its root) inside unsaturated polyester or something, to store it at the provider's facility. If the burial place will be discovered in a couple of decades or centuries, I suggest that the identity of content can be verified with the tissue sample's DNA.

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118647785/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/multimedia/2007/10/gallery_digimorph
http://pda.physorg.com/lofi-news-penney-spider-university_112885174.html

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15.9.08, extraction: How about KrioRus? www.kriorus.ru/english.html

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15.9.08 ""Re: Associate membership / chemo suspension --Kriorus--" to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Venturists/messages

Thank you for your reply. Kriorus would really be whom I'd like to get in touch with. Extractions from my email to the Cryonics Society of Canada: "Actually, I'm trying to get into contract arrangements for a permafrost burial and chemo suspension of my head (in case of death)... But I don't know if I should contact Danila Medvedev or Mr. Alexey Potapov at Kriorus to find out if they can act as a chemo-provider for a permafrost burial of someone's head."

The page www.cryocdn.org/perma.html gave me the impression that the Cryonics Society of Canada could help me to get in contact with Kriorus a better way than I could do on my own. It's because I don't know how to talk to Kriorus about a burial in a sealed container, while www.kriorus.ru/english.html describes a dewar. It looks possible to me that they may think I don't trust their cryonic suspension. Of cause, I'd ask Kriorus for their standard services if I could finance the cost with an insurance or something - but that's not the case. How can I send a suitable inquiry to them -a cryonics provider-, telling that my situation requires a special offer for chemo suspension only, payable as a one-time fee?

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Neither a response to the above nor a response to a later message asking for plastination of neuro-tissue as a preparation for economically priced shipping.

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22.9.08 "Permafrost Burial" in response to http://www.network54.com/Forum/291677/message/1189556055/cryonics+organization+alternatives

Low-cost preservation may be a permafrost burial in Canada. It requires an individual arrangement which http://www.cryocdn.org/perma.html informs about. But I live in Germany and a payment for delivery of a human in postmortal condition from Germany to Canada would be too much. So my small income doesn't allow a Life Insurance for Cryonics and related investments.

Only for Life Extension, a human brain in longterm storage is impossible in Germany. In regions of Europe and nearby, only Kriorus in Russia is available. Actually, I'm trying to figure out the terms for a cheap arrangement granting a permafrost burial in Siberia. When in postmortal condition, a big expense will be for delivery by plane from Germany to Russia. Delivery including air transport requires the unacceptable expense of 6000 Euro. Delivery by car is hard to get, just because of the great distance and transit countries. Railways providers don't do that kind of transportation anymore.

Now I'm checking out a cheap delivery to Moscow by car. If there's a way, I could search further and ask if there's anyone who offers a special low-cost support in hindsight to chemo suspension and a permafrost burial in Siberia. What's on? Should I dare to send an inquiry to Kriorus direcly right now, just for the purpose of chemo suspension only?

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23.9.08, alternative

Extraction and modified summary: Wait for Jordan Sparks to open his cryonics non-profit. He was planning to offer a $10,000 human cryopreservation. IMO Canadian summers aren't cold enough. And chemical preservations kill every cell.

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Oregon Cryonics Forum

The thread Cryonics Organization Alternatives at the The Cold Filter http://www.network54.com/Forum/291677 yielded further replies. After a while I announced: "When cryopreservation is on the way at Oregon Cryonics, their planning of a $10,000 fee in total gives me an incentive to explore their forum too." Below are copies of robomoon's messages including summaries about replies from http://70.90.133.65/cryonicsforum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4 on the Cryonics Discussion Forum. Forum owner: Oregon Cryonics.

24.9.08, "Alternatives, Funding, and Membership"

As suggested at The Cold Filter http://www.network54.com/Forum/291677/message/1222215145/alternative in response to "cryonics organization alternatives", $10000 membership fee for Oregon Cryonics - http://www.oregoncryo.com/ by Robert Sparks - look promising. So the costs of shipping are a greater problem for me than the full membership fee. http://www.cryonics.uk.com/Cryonics_Meetings.htm gives an insight into the expenses that shipping can cost. Cryonics UK, a self-help group of cryonicists, shows what would be demanded during an emergency situation for someone located in Central Europe. Regarding coverage of an emergency, their members are required to join the group, have signed-up for cryo, and have extra funds to cover the extra costs shipping, further services, etc. As a rough estimate, these extra funds amount to about 18000 Euro. Usually, these funds will be included in the cryonics provider's overseas fees.

Chemo instead of cryo isn't an organized service. However, extra funds to cover the extra costs shipping from Germany to Russia, further services, etc., amount to about 10000 Euro. Unfortunately, my income doesn't match so well with requirements for shipping of a body from Europe to another continent. It's not only that I have no financial ability to pay for a normal cryopreservation. It's also the shipping in an emergency situation which demands an unbearable funding.

Chemo suspension today should be no alternative equal in quality to cryopreservation. Damages on brain cells caused by chemo suspension are greater than the damages caused by cryo suspension. But it's cheaper to obtain one-time applications of ethanol, epoxy, and other relatively affordable materials, instead of an ongoing nitrogen supply. Actually, my income is at the lowest level and my family demand nearly all of my resources. However, I'm in the position to pay less and so I expect a lower level of quality in terms of storage for Life Extension. 5000 Euro for chemo suspension plus 10000 Euro for extra funds seems to me a promising chance. So chemo suspension remains an alternative.

Reply, 24.10.08

Jordan Sparks informed me in his reply "Re: Alternatives, Funding, and Membership" about the need for further research. In case of chemical preservation in the form of ordinary embalming fluid followed by ordinary transport to the United States or Russia and subsequent cryopreservation, the embalming fluid would buy a patient the time needed for cheap and slow transport. KrioRus would fall within my current budget, and when a low cost neuro becomes available in the US or in Europe, that would give me another option. The problem without subsequent cryopreservation is long term degradation. Further research is needed to find a better longterm protocol. A polymer, gel, or solid of some sort would be stable enough.

28.10.08, "Chemo Suspension"

Message contains the link http://shintoist.com/chemsusproblems.txt to the 1st version of this report with short description.

Reply, 28.10.08

Jordan Sparks informed me in his reply about a risk with ethanol: Even if bacteria do not survive, it's not known whether the enzymes, acids, free radicals, etc will not just cause the tissue to self digest anyway. If useful evidence from scanning electron micrographs (SEM's) of brain tissue preserved with ethanol is missing, formaldehyde or gluteraldehyde for preservation of brain tissue are required here. Since we are talking about preserving the brain tissue for many decades, we will also want to see SEM's of the brain's ultrastructure after decades of storage. Again, this will be very easy to find in the case of aldehydes.

29.10.08, "Storage Space"

In our world, we are separated from a rational conclusion: Problems related to storage space for chemo suspension could be solved with a hazardous waste depot. Thus, we must work around the dreary condition that buckets with nuclear waste and toxic chemicals have more rights for a burial including longterm suspension than a human body. Without rights for storage space, further research demands scanning electron micrographs (SEM's) of ashes preserved with ethanol-fire fixation and embedding in an epoxy-urn.

Only in Canada is one chemo suspension for Life-Extension, performed by a permafrost burial. Anywhere else, arrangements of chemo suspension were only for education and research instead of Life Extension. Chemo Suspension Problems http://shintoist.com/chemsusproblems.htm suggests longterm suspension without frost. Formaldehyde and gluteraldehyde function well before a longterm suspension without a freezing method, but their toxic properties require special storage, transportation, and usage. Ethanol-based embalming fluids are easy to handle for perfusion prior to shipping of a body. Nontoxic ethanol can be safely applied and transported.

The right for infinite occupation of a burial ground is hard to obtain, especially in Europe. Rural locations in England and perhaps in the Netherlands may be worth a closer inspection. It looks as if one or another natural burial ground in England could be occupied without a timely limit. The problem: No toxic embalming fluids are allowed. The embedding of the brain in epoxy is highly recommendable, but the toxic properties of epoxy resin render the same hurdles as well. Even the less toxic polyester could turn into the most daring of all efforts.

The risk that enzymes, acids, free radicals, etc. will just cause the tissue to self digest is avoidable in Russia. There could be conditions for a natural burial ground where a better treatment than only embalming with ethanol is allowed.

Reply, 29.10.08

Jordan Sparks informed me in his reply about responsibility required for perpetual storage (with already expressed reservations about the longterm effects). The best approach is for a corporation to assume responsibility for perpetual storage of neuro-tissue. A simple sealed container of liquid fixative on a shelf in a room is the simplest solution. Unsupervised burial of any kind is an unsafe place, because it's uncontrolled. Chemical preservation does more appropriately fall under the umbrella of real longterm research. This is done under the supervision of scientists, not cemetery landscapers. One or two thousand US-Dollars put into a deposit account should cover the perpetual storage costs.

31.10.08, "Which room can be used consistent with federal law?"

Regarding the legal requirements for chemo suspension, a Russian organization could properly provide ongoing responsibility. About two weeks ago, I made contact with CRYONICS Institute Germany - http://cryonics.de -. Actually, they cannot trust the longterm efficiency of any kind of responsibility for perpetual storage by an organization in Eastern Europe. A day later I contacted Deutsche Gesellschaft für Angewandte Biostase (transl.: "German society for applied biostasis") at http://biostase.de and they don't give a better statement about Cryonics in Russia too. Due to unwarranted worries that a Russian storage provider might easily face bankruptcy in the coming decades, it's not widely accepted that storage in their building is more secure than an underground depot close to their building - which can be supervised periodically.

It may be more than seven years ago when I emailed Alcor. No reply. Later I emailed CI to ask what's in for a small amount of money, but they told me "wrong time". Regarding methods for cheap transportation of a brain to a supervised room in the US, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Venturists/message/1029 has gotten no better reply but my own insufficient remark about shipping plastinates. Has anyone outside Russia gained support for arrangements with KrioRus? However, any organization that owns a room which can be used consistent with federal law for chemo suspension would be alright.

Reply, 31.10.08

Jordan Sparks informed me in his reply about standard industrial classification (SIC) in the US. There are a variety of business types that would legitimately store containers with preservation fluid in them. Most commercial zones determined by SIC would allow educational and research companies. This includes office buildings, warehouses, and nearly everything in between. The only other laws to follow involve OSHA and the storage of toxic chemicals. Some examples of zones that would not be legal: Residential and retail. There is currently no such corporation for chemo suspension.

1.11.08, "Better Than a Cinerary Urn"

Scraping together funds for Cryonics with just a few years of effort requires the prospect of a sufficient income. But there are difficulties, even in Central Europe. Some members of my family are from poor regions in Southeast Asia. Since I'm responsible for them, their needs brought my finances down. It's not only their fault since I had to retire early due to ongoing health problems. In developing countries, Cryonics is known as luxury. Therefore, my relatives have taken control over my low income - not only because of their fear that I'll pay for Cryonics. They feel that it costs too much.

No organization in Germany or nearby supports an arrangement for Cryonics in Russia. Nobody close to me is becoming a volunteering witness to sign a form called "Declaration of Intent to be Cryopreserved". Now it's time to outline an arrangement for chemo preservation. Three flaws:

1st flaw: Decay. Natural burial ground in Europe. Organizations who provide this space require nontoxic materials. Fixation only with ethanol containing sodium chloride. Embedding only in panels of impregnated cotton fiber. Impregnating requires hot wax which has been produced by glands of the Apoidea genus Apis.

2nd flaw: Missing supervision. Natural burial ground in a polar region. Organizations who provide this space require out-of-competition sports after officially declared death to break the world record in outdoor ice bathing while trying to avoid more damages on brain tissue than the frozen Norwegian named Bredo Morstoel has gotten. Trygve Bauge (B. Morstoel's grandson) wrote in Trygve's Meta Portal v.5.7, 2003/2004, http://www.trygve.bauge.com/ about his outdoor world record 1 hour & 4 minutes in 0 degree water, with airtemperature minus 1 degree Celsius.

3rd flaw: Alteration of brain cells. Underground depot in a salt mine. Secure entrance to the underground depot with controlled access enables periodical supervision. Organizations who provide this space require storage of brain tissue in dry form. http://www.bodyworlds.com/en/plastination/new_approach_teaching_anatomy.html states that transparent slices of tissue allow observation of even the most minute nerves. Gray matter visible in slices of the brain is distinguishable from a white portion of the brainstem. Small, microscopic bundles of cells retain their original form.

When all the flaws are being compared, the 3rd flaw is negligible enough to keep brain cells in better position than those of the following cryo-pioneers who underwent warm-ups after suspension in ice: Some of Cryonics Society of California (CSC) patients, some of Cryonics Society of New York (CSNY) patients, and those who tried longterm freezing in France and Norway.

Resources:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/day-of-the-frozen-dead-528319.html
http://www.alcor.org/Library/html/suspensionfailures.html

Reply, 2.11.08

Jordan Sparks informed me in his reply about a method of higher quality in terms of longterm preservation than the three alternatives I'm currently considering. Regarding requirements connected to his proposal for storage in embalming fluid and financial calculations, please refer to my note in the next paragraph. Proposal: Convince a funeral director to embalm the corpse, remove the head, and store the head in a bucket of embalming fluid. The immersion is important, because without full immersion, the embalming fluid will stop working in about a few weeks. Under such circumstances, chemical preservation can be done for $1500, $800 of which would be used for long term storage.

Note: Keeping J. Sparks' method of embalming in line with EU law requires excellent knowledge and utilization of the relevant legislation. Otherwise, expenses would barely be on a lower level than expenses for other medical services like surgical intervention and storage of organ transplants.

5.11.08, "Authorities will confiscate the head"

Chemo suspension including storage in embalming fluid cannot be for later retrieval of many memories in detail. However, some essential parts of the mind may be still functional after reanimation. Blended with new parts, a brain should very well qualify for Life Extension. Even plastination is acceptable when better alternatives are unavailable. So it's bearable for me to predict that procedures for the retrieval of memories will turn into a memorization much different than the memories during my actual life.

A head in embalming fluid is hard to maintain for the purpose of Life Extension. In the EU, people who aren't well-informed about chemo suspension may find longterm storage of a human head in embalming fluid unacceptable. German legislation makes longterm storage of corpses and their organs unlawful, except those which are organ transplants or for education and science. So it's likely that the authorities will confiscate the head and bring it to cremation. Next to this, German legislation makes decapitation of corpses by untrained surgeons unlawful. Morticians who purposely remove a head from the body must fear for their professional licenses.

-the discussion goes on-

Cheap DNA

Subtitle: Natural Information About My Body

Version 1.2, 2.12.2008, by robomoon shintoist.com

Introduction

If we aren't biological clones or twins, both of us should have the DNA of our human bodies sequenced. This will enhance our identity by the notion that there are several million differences between us. Even when we are approximately 99.9% the same, these differences are enough to make it obvious that we are not the same creature. Sequencing the human genome has led researchers to identify genes that can cause some people in the population to be more susceptible to certain diseases such as cystic fibrosis. Automatic sequencing machines make the process much faster and more accurate. Resource: http://www.gene-sequencing.com

Storage

It's been more than five years ago when I embedded a hair including its root in dry glue for storage at home. But today, I'll get a better method for storage of my DNA. With DNA Archive from DNA Direct http://dnadirect.com I can store safe, stable DNA samples.

DNA Archive uses lab-quality tubes, UV-resistant packaging, and Sample-Matrix technology. So my genetic history can be preserved with DNA samples for a very long time.

17.10.08

Submission of my order to DNA Direct in San Francisco, USA. Item: DNA Archive. Price: $250 incl. the fee for international shipping.

27.10.08

Mailing of DNA test kit documents including buccal swabs (cheek swab sample) from Frankfurt in Germany to North Carolina in USA. So I mailed a sample of DNA from my cheek cells on cotton swabs to the lab. LabCorp CMBP, in the RTP, NC 27709, is the lab charged by DNA Direct.

29.10.08

Greg Jordan, President of Society for Universal Immortalism (SfUI) http://universalimmortalism.org posted to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/universalimmortalism/message/1674 with title: Information Storage

Extraction and modified summary: Secure storage space in the Kansas salt mine will be $150 per year for approximately 55 cubic feet at 68 degrees F and 40% humidity. This would be only for biographical information (like diaries, journals, videos, photos, assorted papers) and keepsakes (small objects) as well as DNA info in dry format.

18.11.08

Wofram Research http://www.wolfram.com released version 7 of Mathematica, bringing new techniques for image processing and analysis. One of the software's computable data features builds in the entire human genome. Reference: Mathematica 7 arrives with built-in human genome http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-10103197-76.html by Stephen Shankland for CNET news, 19.11.08.

26.11.08

The Patient Services Coordinator of DNA Direct received my email telling them about successful delivery of archive tins with my DNA from the USA to my home in Germany.

Greg Jordan, President of SfUI, informed me by email about my membership status. So far, my Associate Membership is pending while it may be elected by votes.

29.11.08

As a suggestion for a change of the location in 2009, SfUI should be obliged to go forward with the acquirement of storage space in the Kansas salt mine.

Messages

Below are copies of robomoon's messages including extractions of replies that can be used as actual examples about his aproach to make a sample of his DNA getting into longterm storage.

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Venturists/message/1043 posted to Venturists at YAHOO GROUPS on 10.10.08. It contained copies of robomoon's recent messages from Universal Immortalism discussion at YAHOO GROUPS, a forum administered by the Society for Universal Immortalism. Title: Is storage of a DNA sample in Russia a nice idea?

The copies of messages below stem from the file "dna", description "Storage of a DNA sample in Russia", posted by robomoon, Oct 10, 2008, to the "files" section of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/universalimmortalism/

The following paragraph did not appear in the "universalimmortalism/messages" directory on Oct 10, 2008, since group member robomoon has tried to post it one day ago:

Useful recommendation of a DNA sample, nice! Would it be possible to store that sample in Russia for something less than $1300? All payments which would make longterm storage at Kriorus successful to me would sum up to the amount of something more than $20000. Actually, access of www.kriorus.ru/english.html makes their server send a "403 Forbidden" message. Of cause, my application to your Secretary Tripper McCarthy demands an associate membership. Should I email it again?

The above message is a response to message #1631 "Re: Application for membership, activities and involvement", by Mike Perry, Sep 16, 2008. A quote of his message: "It seems that your idea is to try to store digitizable information (photos, video recordings, etc.) in lieu of cryonics arrangements. We think a DNA sample should be added, and if at all possible, arrangements for some type of brain preservation even if not cryo."

Message #1628 "Application for membership, activities and involvement", posted by robomoon on Sep 6, 2008:

Email from 1. August 08 by robomoon-at....de to tripperm-at....com, subject: Universal Immortalism membership. Email contained my home address and attachment: Filled out declaration.

Dear Mr. McCarthy!

Messages about http://www.cyberev.org/ and Memory Upload at your Yahoo Group have drawn my attention to you. So here's something that I had more or less to do with:

Asteromed e.V. in Frankfurt, Germany, is a nonprofit association. I am its founder as well as the chairman of the board since 1998. Behind Asteromed was a strategy: 1st, administration and storage of personal data. Each item in storage should be a description about the identity of an individual mind. 2nd, longterm storage of personal data for later upload into intelligent creatures of artificial life.

It was also my hope to transform Asteromed into a partner organization of FALK e.V. Before the year 2000, FALK was the leading association for Cryonics in Germany. Of cause, I also had been a member, but the organization went lost. Michael Saxer, the leader of FALK, kept dealing on with Norbert Nickles, also a former member of the organization. They met Dr. Toma, a US-scientist who works for Cryonics in Switzerland. After their meeting with Peter Toma in December 2003, they did their own business without further interest in FALK.

People in Germany don't like to talk about things that I'm trying to understand, for e.g., existential risks in space. So Asteromed as an organization is currently quite defunct. Two members of Asteromed are not alive anymore and the only thing I could do for them is to find out how to collect and store some digital data about them. Anyway, they were not interested in Cryonics at all. Well, I tried to figure out a way to sign up at Kriorus in Russia, but I'm not that smart to earn enough for a life-insurance. So http://www.cyberev.org/ makes myself comfortable with the idea of immortality.

Attached is a copy of the declaration incl. my signature, produced with a text program and electronic data scanning. Please let me know if membership will be ok and if I'm allowed to upload this letter to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/universalimmortalism/ or somewhere else.

Kind regards
Hartmut Liedtke
(Address attached)
Homepage: http://www.shintoist.com

Further interesting pages:
http://www.tierkryonik.de/home.htm
http://www.biostasis.de/firmengeschichte.htm
http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=9375
http://www.blick.ch/sonntagsblick/aktuell/artikel32137

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No direct reply, but a response to the file "dna" consisting of two messages by a member of Universal Immortalism discussion at YAHOO GROUPS. Title of the file "dna": "Storage of a DNA sample in Russia". Storage of the file in the "files" section of the group, uploaded by robomoon, Oct 10, 2008.

A message by arcturus12453 on 12.10.08 with title "Membership & DNA Storage" at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/universalimmortalism/message/1649 contained a note about my file ("dna") including the content of it.

Another message by arcturus12453 on 14.10.08 with title "Storage for Personal Mementos and Genetic Info" at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/universalimmortalism/message/1654 contained an info about storage space. Extraction and summary: For about $150/year our Society could rent about 55 cubic feet of air-conditioned, secured underground vault space to store some of the personal mementos of our members when they go into cryostasis. Pictures, diaries, or other small irreplaceables or things that might jog weakened memory. The underground vault would also be convenient for storage of genetic information in dry preservation format.

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http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=24586 posted to the subforum Cryonics at ImmInst Forums on 10.10.08

Reply to "Cheapest technique, Permafrost burial already possible?"

There's no way for me to make frequent payments to an insurance for Cryonics because of my bad income situation. So I've also tried to get something cheaper. Here's my latest effort http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Venturists/message/1043 where I've tried to gain interest in storage of a small DNA sample in Russia. That should be storage for less than $1300, together with some written information about my personal data. Check out http://lifenaut.com/ too!

The cheapest technique which actually seems to work for those who are able to raise a bit more money than me goes like this: Check out Kriorus, who is the only company cheaper than CI and Alcor. All the others went broke or are more expensive. Currently, their home page http://kriorus.ru/ has the following content with title "Forbidden" and main page "You don't have permission to access / on this server." Don't hesitate to choose them if you are aged or sick to the point of being nearly death. Then put your last resources together and go to their place in the Moscow area. That will spare you funding costs of shipping (from $1000 to $10000), embalming (from $1000 to $3000) and additional services (from $500 to $5000). Something looks even better if you can fund $14000 by a Russian insurance.

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Forum user Winterbreeze replied on 11.10.08. Extraction from his message: This will certainly be a CLONE.

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12.10.08, I replied to the above response (starting with a quote from Winterbreeze's response): QUOTE "What good will it bring you storing your DNA sample? This will certainly be a CLONE." END OF QUOTE.

Sorry that the term DNA sample is so much related to cloning, but nobody needs a clone of mine. There should rather be a merger between some digital reflections and the code of my DNA. Digital reflections about my personal data are at http://cyberev.org and further pages. Cybernetics need time, so imagine a suspension for thousand years. After storage, a comparison between enhanced DNA and the DNA sample will be the leading characteristics of my cybernetic outline. After thousand years of progress in genomics, enhanced DNA must show great differences. These differences will be the problems which my avatar must be able to cope with. There is no avatar right now, but I want to let this recovery of digital reflections happen. To make it clear for any mind: In thousand years, there can be a robot with friendly Artificial Intelligence instead of a reactive clone with a damaged brain.

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http://www.network54.com/Forum/291677/message/1224806414/ posted to The Cold Filter on 23.10.08 in reply to "consciousness & uploading"

Uploading is good for me!

Ten years ago, someone replied to me: Eat one less pizza per month and you'll have enough money for Cryonics. But I had a computer. Later I emailed to Alcor, asking them if they could do business with me. No reply. So I wondered if there are contracts for a cheap straight freeze of a brain - resulting in a later uploading into an artificial brain.

Eight years ago, someone told me: Wait for a chance to get into the Cryonics business. But I had a printer and epoxy resin. Later I emailed to Cryonics Institute, asking them if they could sign up for a couple of hundred Dollars. "Wrong time" was their reply. So I wondered if there are contracts for embedding of my brain in epoxy for storage together with documents which contain private stories about my fantasies - resulting in a later transferral into an artificial mind.

Five years ago, someone offered me a job for one year without a great danger of getting fired. The trade-off: Low wages. But I had a Basic Compiler for a Disk Operating System and some plastic glue. Later I uploaded a program which worked with patterns of my personal data to http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/smados while hoping this would remain forever. SmartGroups closed down on November, 2006, but I still carry my handwritten Testament referring to the program with me. So I wondered if there are contracts for transferring a piece of my mind into a free programming environment - triggering a later detection of my DNA, embedded in dry glue at home.

Three years ago, I still worked to get fired and got fired to get work. But I had a goal: Survival without being knocked out by either an employer who knew he pays too much or one of my relatives who knew that I don't pay enough. Later I got away due to my early retirement because of an increasing illness. So far, my employer has done his job and my relatives have their Life Insurances. So I wondered if there are contracts for embalming with Ethanol - to let AI decide if a burial in northern Siberia and personal traces in the Internet are good enough.

One hour ago, I wrote the beginning of this text. But I had an idea. Later, the AI of my computer, though not human-like, danced to http://canonizer.com/topic.asp/80/3 too. So I wonder if there are contracts - http://www.universalimmortalism.org replies.

For cross-posting at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/universalimmortalism/messages

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A forum user with login BFrank64A posted on 26.10.08 with title: "A silly question." He stated that people talk about uploading their minds to a computer or just placing a DNA sample into cryostasis. Despite of that, a DNA sample or the result of Mind Uploading into a computer can't be me. I always have to be the original person with my original brain. So he asked who would be me if several copies were made: Let's say the original brain is severely damaged. Would the copy that would be installed into the brain be me? Uploading doesn't make sense to him and he is sure: When my original brain were to be destroyed, I would perish.

A forum user with login Edward-M posted on 26.10.08 with title: "slow uploading" He suggested the following for successful uploading from a normal brain to a computer: Add memory upgrade, cpu, & sensory card (like vision, etc.)

There were two further responses by a forum user with login sirdanny casting doubt on the point where the actual consciousness can be transferred to hardware.

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26.10.08, I replied to the above response. Title: Backups are rather thoughtful than silly

1st fact: Uploading a human mind to a storage device requires backups and a sensory card which are unknown in current science. Thus, I'd like to upload documents which contain private stories about my fantasies. 2nd fact: CI offers storage of DNA, but they'd leave reanimation of samples to different providers. Placing a DNA sample into cryostasis can be valuable for those who pay for Cryonics anyway. But it requires further agreements with a different provider who is planning to turn the DNA sample into an animated form of life. Thus, I'm choosing a fixation technology which allows storage of dry DNA at room temperature. 3rd fact: What I am after death without storage of my DNA and some of my memorabilia inside file archives is not me, but only ashes inside an urn (next to the theories of my favorite believe system). An android of artificial life is rather me than some pieces of dust. It's not me like today and I bet that's what I should be after 100 years as somebody who got no money for Cryonics. 4rd fact: If several copies were made, I would be the first of all copies. If nobody could find a difference between the 1st and the later copies, the poorest of all will be me. Rich people never have a financial problem to sign up for Cryonics, and indeed, they aren't like me. 5th fact: Let's face the actual problem that my brain is already damaged; severely enough for loss of quick memorizing and mathematical ability, but not severely enough for an immediate loss of life. The copy with the repaired brain would be me, and please, destroy that damaged old brain when repair has succeeded. 6th fact: Uploading makes no sense when anyone interested in Life Extension has signed up for Cryonics.

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A forum user with login BFrank64A posted on 26.10.08 with title: "I'm not here to do battle." His reply begins with a quote from the above message: QUOTE "Rich people never have a financial problem to sign up for Cryonics, and indeed, they aren't like me." END OF QUOTE. It goes on that he makes about $25000 a year in his current job, and he managed to make arrangements for Cryonics. So declared CI as the beneficiary for the group policy ($50000) of his Life Insurance. He further stated that he is by no means, rich, but he managed to make arrangements, just the same.

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26.10.08, I replied to the above response. Title: Don't battle, do the math!

According to http://www.globalrichlist.com/ you you're in the TOP 10.08% richest people in the world. Now calculate, how far the statistical deviation goes.

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A forum user with login BFrank64A posted on 26.10.08 with title: "Thanks." He stated that he did the math, and, yes, according to the web site to which I directed him, he is amongst the world's richest people. His reply continues with adverse criticism about the calculated result including allegations of an economic mess in the United States he is in.

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--------------message #4--------------

24.11.08, posted to the Discussion Board which is administered by the Society for Universal Immortalism at facebook http://www.facebook.com

Biometrics

It's been a while since my application for associate membership at SfUI, which contained a signed Declaration of Intent to be Cryopreserved. Only recently I managed to get two people signing that declaration as witnesses. The signatures on the declaration are from my wife and my mother. They don't want that I'm paying for an uncommon longevity gamble, so it took some time to convince them that the associate membership I'm applying for requires no payments for Cryonics. DGAB, Deutsche Gesellschaft für Angewandte Biostase (transl.: "German society for applied biostasis") at http://biostase.de hasn't given me any kind of support in this case.

Well, I signed the petition http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/preserve-the-right-of-those-who-are-dying-to-choose-cryonics "Preserve the right of those who are dying to choose cryonics". If you haven't already done, I'm asking you to sign this petition to help us reach our goal of 1,000 signatures. I care deeply about this cause, and I hope you will support our efforts.

However, it's impossible for the majority of people in this world to obtain a Life Insurance which covers Cryonics including overseas fees and additional costs. Therefore, Chemo Suspension http://shintoist.com/chemsusproblems.htm should be provided in many countries out of ethical responsibility. Hope for a digital transformation of the mind due to a steady approach towards the mapping of chemically preserved brain sections after longterm suspension doesn't require freezing for scientific justification.

Actually, I'm a bit nervous about unaccomplished transportation of archive tins from USA to Germany. There are dried samples of my biologic biometrics in them, but delivery hasn't been accomplished by the postal service. The manufacturer DNA Direct informed me, they are stuck in customs. Now I'm still waiting for a message from the customs office. Are we Transbemans yet? http://jetpress.org/v18/rothblatt.htm works for me in terms of bemes. When I receive the tins, I'll choose http://cyberev.org to upload a file with information about the storage of my biometrics.

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http://www.webcitation.org/5jpu3nPXH links to the cached copy of this page
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Cached

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/universalimmortalism/message/1871

http://www.webcitation.org/5jpu3nPXM links to the cached copy of this page
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Archived

http://dnadirect.com
The caching attempt failed for the given URL
http://web.archive.org/web/20071221083908/http://dnadirect.com/
links to the archived copy of this page
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Lost

http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/smados
No page online for the given URL
http://web.archive.org/web/20071103050010/http://www.smartgroups.com/
links to the main page of that web space
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Unavailable
http://www.futurephysical.orgpages/interactive/nest.html

No page online for the given URL

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